Before, hard shell, soft shell. it's not even a serious argument. soft,stst the only way to roll. and one more hinge, you know, pete's a guest on my show often, and i really enjoy doing eating on -- pete eating on the, because, you know, kill immediate will not eat on tv. i don't think anyone's even caught him chewing a piece of gum. pete, he don't care. he'll knock out -- it don't matter. pete: we love it. >> we do a whole bit on pete eating on tv. pete: we can update it. you're for hard tortilla chips into the taco meat, right? that's a hard shell. >> well, yeah, that's a nice little -- that...