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I haven't read the interview. oftentimes softball interviews can glean a lot of new information, because that person feels so comfortable. i'm not sure if that was, you know, achieved in this case, but you know, to give sean penn a little bit of credit, let's face it, guys, it takes a lot of courage to go up into the mountains and sit across from a vicious drug dealer and conduct an interview. >> let's talk about that issue about the journalism aspect of this a little bit. >> sure. >> one is, do you think that journalistically speaking, i don't know if you had a chance to read the piece but jo...

Hillary clinton expected to make an appearance on premier "saturday night live." supposed to be a surprise but we just told you about it. >> the cat is out of the bag. the candidate has been giving softball interviews with. "weekly standard's" online editor and author of clinton incorporated. nice to see you this morning, dabble. >> likewise, thanks for having me. >> we heard she needs to get out there and appear more likeable. will "saturday night live" help it. >> it may it's worth trying it does run a risk. here is the thing with hillary clinton she does much better when we don't see her hi...

Bill, you like to blow your horn that you predicted shinseki would go. didn't you predict eric holder would resign? i did, john. standing by that. bill, you told jorge ramos you don't do softball interviews. take at your talks with president obama. so you know where you are in the univers universal, you're in a small minority and we did a poll on the presidential interviews and they go against you big time. like 80% like them. bill, i'm surprised at general patten the focus of your upcoming book, wasn't it the verdict that he died from a car accident? that's the official line, roofis, you'll f...

That you predicted shinseki would go. didn't you predict eric holder would resign? i did, john. standing by that. bill, you told jorge ramos you don't do softball interviews. take at your talks with president obama. so you know where you are in the univers universal, you're in a small minority and we did a poll on the presidential interviews and they go against you big time. like 80% like them. bill, i'm surprised at general patten the focus of your upcoming book, wasn't it the verdict that he died from a car accident? that's the official line, roofis, you'll find the book fascinating when we ...

Overexposed. but he was not reaching out to the white house press, as you say, but it was "people" magazine, all these different spreads. >> and he continues to do leno and the view and espn. he had steve harvey in. he said look, the president gives three or four times as many interviews as george w. bush or bill clinton. >> but many of them are softball interviews. >> let me get a break here. send me a tweet about our show. when we come back, steve martin keeps apologizing for bad twitter jokes about a racially incentive tweet cost a top media executive her job. has online harassment gone t...