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But some of the people he defrauded were you and i. i just find it an astoppishing sentence and i can assure you that every defense lawyer is america is going through cases and we will be flooded with stories of people selling an ounce of marijuana or stealing quarters from a laundry room with an equal sentence. we talk to talk about the disparities between white collar crime and street crime. >> do you think he was intentionally setting himself up for a potential pardon from the president? >> well, that is really hard to say, but the president's reaction that you just read before the break ab...

Hillary clinton? >> no, i don't think it is solutio collusion. i don't admire it, but someone says i have information on an opponent, unless there is an arran arrangement. it is unwise, but i don't see it part of the crime. >> it is part of the counter intelligence investigation, because the value and knowing whether or not a government had sw sway over the son of a presidential candidate. >> you absolutely want to gather all of the facts in terms of the depth of the relationship and so farther. this appears to be a one off as opposed to collusion which is let's get together and we're going to...

From the president. both the judge and the lawyer in the paul manafort case stated loudly for the world to hear that there was no collusion with russia. but the witch hunt hoax continues as you now had these statements to house and senate intelligence. >> the disgrace of how judge ellis handled this case from the day of the indictment all of the way through is pretty extraordinary. it is good for the president, and you know he is wide to cite it because it is helpful to his position. >> that just raises so many more questions. thank you, david, make sure you watch s.e. cupp unfiltered tomorrow...

Before. collusion is not a crime. there are other crimes around it, conspiracy could be, collusion with a small c, not a crime here, you say no evidence and i go back to the donald trump junior meeting. it happened in plain sight. the agreed upon facts are, and we have seen the e-mails that donald trump junior was offered dirt on hillary clinton that he was told was for the russian government, that is why he went into this meeting. he said if that's true, i love it. that in and of itself, small c, is that small c collusion? walking into that meeting expecting to recieve dirt from the russian g...

Delegitimized the investigation. >> a very important set of charges have been brought against 13 russian individuals and two organizations. i read those indictments carefully. not one word to suggest collusion. they have behaved badly and they should be brought to justice. we have seen no evidence of collusion. >> joe is talking about obstruction of justice. if you believe all of the tweets about a switch hunt, do you consider that obstruction of justice about this investigation. >> we did not charge president clinton with obstruction of justice because of an entire army he had. the president ...