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It becomes a triggering effect. at some point somebody snaps. if somebody snaps and they want to kill a lot of children because they think i'm going to become infamous, you don't need a gun to do that. i can think of 3 ways right now that i could kill a lot of children if i was a homicidal maniac and none of them would involve guns. it's an easy answer. it's easy to say let's ban guns and resolve the problem. i don't think the u.s. will ever haven't been founded with the wild west would ever get rid of all their guns. it's a lot harder to get people to change their behavior in the way they are...

A triggering effect. at some point, somebody snaps. if somebody snaps and they want to kill a lot of children because they think i'm going to become infamous, you don't need a gun to do that. i was sitting here talking to you and i can think of three ways right now that i could kill a lot of children if i was a homicidal maniac and none of them would involve guns. it's an easy answer. it's easy to say let's ban guns and we can solve the problem. the u.s. without ever finding guns, it's a lot harder to get people to change their behavior and the way they are raising their children and especiall...

Want people that are armed. most people are law abiding. we can't know who is going to snap. but when they do, we can have other people there ready to respond. if somebody snaps, they're not going to care about the law. they're going to get a gun anyway. so why not have people there who haven't snapped, like here -- as you know we had two people who mitigated by shooting the shooter and potentially saving 20 to 25 lives. >> mr. paxton as always, thank you so much. good to speak with you. our thoughts are with you right now. >> we pfrt that, thank you. >> how soon is too soon to talk about gun ...

Illness, he checks a a number of boxes. mental illness and jihadism and terrorism are by no means exclusive. it's tough to tell which one may have been the predominant fac r factor. it's possible these two things coincided. he might have had issues with mental health in the past and also be a devout muslim who thought isis was asking him. not just to attack in the west, but specifically to law enforcement. >> this is like the worst fear in terms of law enforcement, trying to protect us and here they have to worry about a lone wolf. >> it's hard to defend against. this officer is both lucky to ...

>> totally. look, i have three kids. i think what scared me about this week, don, an it scared so many of us about the three stories in a row is these are all places where you're just living your day-to-day life. a school, a grocery store, a movie theater. i was in the movie theater a couple of weeks ago seeing "the secret life of walter mitty" which is fantastic, by the way, but the jerk in front of me was texting. and i felt this rage -- >> this anger. >> yes. >> but you didn't pull out a gun or punch the guy. >> to the doctor's point, i think one of the things he said is exactly right. when...