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time we met them. we have the guide, the tool kit for them to follow now. when they are able and say progress, we will still be there to talk with them, to them through this. >> most important thing for them now is they get trauma therapy immediately. not trauma informed, now grief counselling, trauma therapy. we have the ability with another woman that we work with to bring in 25 trauma informed therapists to uvalde for free. they are paying out of their own pockets to do this. hopefully, we'll be able to get to them very, very quickly and provide real trauma therapy to them to get ...

Tom is exactly right. he described nypd team, they can do an explosive entry they could overwhelm the guy and he will not be able to shoot the hostage but three patrol officers cannot do that. they have no breaching equipment. they probably should have got the key faster which bortac did the key but if the people are alive, halle and you're over here, unless you can really get in there fast, if you have the key, maybe you can get in there and kill him. if you can't, you don't want to cause him to kill everybody. if you can start talking and he's not killing, then hold him in it because you're ...

To understand, i was a hostage negotiator. if you reach the other side of that door and the killer is in that door and you have no breaching tools, how are you going to get in? the smartest thing try the contact. if you can contact, you may be able to stop the killing through talking. if you can engage, if he will talk, that may stop him from killing and you may be able the buy some time until you can get an officer around to the window and maybe take him out with a sniper. by time you could ever rattle door, he could kill every one inside in 40 seconds. that's not always the answer just to ch...

But what they have done is created more doubt. they created more questions and i got to tell you, we have seen the video. i can want imagine what it's like to be a parent. we have seen the video of the parents waiting out here trying to get in, being held down by police because they wanted the police to go in there. the timeline is incredibly frustrating and his answer was we're a small town. another thing that stood out to me that is so unbelievable but tells you how powerful those rifles are, that 18-year-old with that weapon was able the hold off, by my count, at least three different depar...

Cheating ways, that something tom would never speak of. >> as a jets fan, i want to know what this thing called the super bowl they speak of is. >> andy: also, i am your father. [laughter] remi, you said that most reasonable people would say that the jersey is worth more than you would pay for it in the store because he wore it. i don't even know how you can make the argument that it is not. that should be an open and shut case. >> i agree, there are people who collect these things, it has great value to them. not to me, but to them. >> andy: i agree. you said you don't understand the whole ga...