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Something huge is when it's an upset like in 2008 when barack obama upset then hillary clinton. if we see that on either the republican or democrat side, it would be huge. on jeb, i think you'll see him keep grinding away. a lot of retail politics, spending a lot of time in the early states, new hampshire and south carolina, and i think you're going to see him try to do this the old-fashioned way. one voter at a time. >> amanda, do you want to jump in? >> yeah. one thing about that, the interesting part of the new jeb dynamic is that a rising jeb, a rising chris christie makes life a lot harde...

Description and is now doing it. i also see him doing much more focus on new hampshire, which i think is smart. you know, as we've discussed. iowa means something. it doesn't mean everything. the only time iowa means something huge is when it's an upset like in 2008 when barack obama upset then hillary clinton. if we see that kind of thing either on the democrat or republican side, it would be huge. on jeb, i think you're going to see him, you know, keep grinding away. a lot of retail politics, spending a lot of time in the early states, new hampshire and south carolina, and i think you're goi...

In the debate, they are making some alterations as to how they're approaching his "i hate my job" narrative. >> he doesn't want to attack his rivals is silly. he uses language like that. it doesn't pass the smell test. secondly, marco has a great advantage in this campaign, an amen corner in the press. it is so revealing. the people who rally to his side they want him to be their nominee. they don't say it always. if you watch this knee-jerk defense of marco on the right, it is very, very revealing. lastly, on jeb, his challenge is this. these campaigns increasingly have become defined by deba...

When donald trump hits you, the person knows it. when jeb bush comes back with something like, this it is a low energy response. and it perfectly encapsulates all of jeb's problems, as he is a decent guy, and it's almost sad, but he has kind of become the personification of everything that is washington, everything that is that are the republicans, and voters are sort of projecting all of that on jeb. >> yes. >> and donald is helping a whole lot. >> i know. it's odd. he has been in florida for 20 years. but he is the embodiment somehow in the public mind anyway of washington. what was the idea...

Governor bush to other candidates. >> let me get you in here really quickly and ask you the same question. how will rand paul try to position himself against jeb bush and this super pac as the candidate for millennials. >> i think where rand paul might have the edge on jeb is he can pitch himself as tough on criminal justice reform and he's also going to really hit hard on the big government/small government. he's going to pitch himself as a small government mainly through criminal justice reform. there's some other positions that target the fed and whatnot that probably won't be too popular. ...