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We can think of other people who have testified before congress in situations like this who are a lot more eager. >> in terms of the watergate president, i was thinking what you said about john dean's famous testimony. we look back on that 45 years later and get these hot moments from john dean, these sound bytes where he says incredibly devastating things but in fact, in realtime, when dean was giving his testimony, it was -- wasn't he reading hundreds of pages of an opening statement that went on for hours and hours and hours without enter representation? >> absolutely. he was told not to us...

Americans' pocketbooks and their own personal lives. and so i think at this point that is probably the conversation that really most americans are listening for as they size up these democratic candidates. msnbc's garrett haake actually got reaction from on the ground in michigan. i want to take a listen to what some of the takeaway was from the hearing. >> i think that, you know, special counsel mueller did a great job. i don't think that it should be the end of the conversation, only because he did say that the president did in fact commit a crime. >> reporter: so should democrats pursue imp...

Obstruction of justice? that can be persuasive. when john dean testified before the watergate committee in 1973, 80 million people were watching. 15 or 20 million will be watching tomorrow and most of the public made their mind up. democrats i think for a whole host of reasons too detailed to get into in this conversation are kind of now playing defense or catch up and i'm not sure -- >> here -- this is the difference. you're right about that. back then there were three channels, right and no 24-hour -- >> no twitter. >> those sound bytes will get repeated and repeated. >> and the president wi...

They could take those two moments and have those be the moments everybody sees over and over again? >> reporter: well, chuck, i think that question is still to be answered in terms of how the american public digests what happened today, how many people watched these hearings gavel to gavel and how much will watch summaries that include those very exchanges and those headlines are very clear. the president is constantly tweeting and claiming no collusion, no obstruction, total exoneration. robert mueller very clearly refuted that very directly. you put those kind of sound bytes next to each oth...

What hasn't been brought to light by a 445 page report and a two years investigation. >> at the minimum, this is going to be sort of like the audio book version of the report in the hopes that that can create some momentum for themselves. they have really really struggled since coming to power back in january to move the needle on the president, especially on the issues related to the report. they struggled to get any witnesses. today they finally have one. and the question is can they create sound bytes. can they connect to the american people in a way the report did not. obviously the report...