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Somebody without judging? >> that's hard. that's very hard. the scary thing is you have to have real empathy, real, not phony. not just call him by his first name and give him coffee and give him cigarettes, the standard procedure of putting a guy at ease. there has to be an empathy. it sounds lax in judgment. >> they have a particular view of the world you have to discover. why does this one guy not want to talk about the 12 and 13-year-olds he may have killed. he may have killed a dozen. but he'll talk about the prostitutes he killed. his morality of murder, if you will, is such that you can...

Than that. >> how does a detective talk to somebody without judging? >> that's hard. that's very hard. the scary thing is you have to have real empathy, real, not phony. not just call him by his first name and give him coffee and give him cigarettes, the standard procedure of putting a guy at ease. there has to be an empathy. it sounds lax in judgment. >> they have a particular view of the world you have to discover. why does this one guy not want to talk about the 12 and 13-year-olds he may have killed. he may have killed a dozen. but he'll talk about the prostitutes he killed. his morality o...