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If he is an adult get him into jail and have a detective talk to him. do you what you can. get all the guns, everything that he has then, and you take it. >> laura: there are so many things that are red flags here. flares, fireworks. the fact that none of them added up to an intervention that stopped this is really stunning. none of this was discussed at the rallies yesterday. it was all donald trump is bad and get the guns. i mean, that's all we were talking about. we weren't talking about any of this. i know the other lye line is convenient. up next? >> can i say something? >> laura: go ahea...

Get him into juvenile hall. if he is an adult get him into jail and have a detective talk to him. do you what you can. get all the guns, everything that he has then, and you take it. >> laura: there are so many things that are red flags here. flares, fireworks. the fact that none of them added up to an intervention that stopped this is really stunning. none of this was discussed at the rallies yesterday. it was all donald trump is bad and get the guns. i mean, that's all we were talking about. we weren't talking about any of this. i know the other lye line is convenient. up next? >> can i say ...

Than that. >> how does a detective talk to somebody without judging? >> that's hard. that's very hard. the scary thing is you have to have real empathy, real, not phony. not just call him by his first name and give him coffee and give him cigarettes, the standard procedure of putting a guy at ease. there has to be an empathy. it sounds lax in judgment. >> they have a particular view of the world you have to discover. why does this one guy not want to talk about the 12 and 13-year-olds he may have killed. he may have killed a dozen. but he'll talk about the prostitutes he killed. his morality o...

Bundy is still on death row. keppel wonders if he can finally get bundy to admit to something. keppel visits the prison unannounced. this time keppel doesn't want to talk about the green river killer. he wants to talk about ted bundy. >> he didn't know why i was there. the only reason i was there was to talk to him. i didn't have a reason. other than that. >> how does the detective talk to somebody without judging them? >> that's hard. that's very hard. the scary think thing is you have to have real empathy. real. not phony. not calling him by his first name and giving him a cup of coffee and ...

His adult life. the very first time the same exact night that this burglar magically floats through the window, magically peter pans his way out the door into the street what naked baby that nobody sees and the dogs next door, what all the dogs are deaf, all the babies are in a comb a the brother is in a coma, i don't buy it. it fails miserably. jenna: interesting you bring up samantha, that is not someone we've heard a lot about. >> not a peep. jenna: thank you for your expertise. nice to have a detective talk about this jon. jon: the space shuttle program may be over but nasa can still dazzl...