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And i revealed quite a bit from unclassified u.s. document about our interrelation with china. >> let me ask you about the space program. what is the nature of china's space program? >> it is a micro example of their overall strategy. they borrowed heavily from soviet russian technology. many of their components look just like a soyuz. they are not supposed to cooperate with nasa. it is against american law. a lot of human rights were brought up so the chinese can't be part of our international space station. he did acquire american space technology. that doesn't take away credit from them for...

Quite intimate cooperation with china. >> right. let me first just ask about the space program. >> sure. >> do you agree that's significant? what is the nature of china's space program? >> well, china's space program in many ways is a micro example of their overall strategy. they borrowed heavily from soviet russian technology. many of their components look just like a soyuz. they are not supposed to cooperate with nasa. it's against american law. a lot of human rights issues were brought up, so the chinese can't be part of the international space station. so, they did acquire american space t...