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Strong one, what's more dispute side whether or not it's effective in 2011, as you know, the director of the cia leon panetta at the time wrote, some of the detainees who provided information had been subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques and whether they were the only timely and effective way when it came to the information to detention and capture of bin laden cannot be established. >> i know that when then director of the cia can't establish it then it's pretty hard to do. i do know that -- from any experience with this kind of treatment that if someone is subjected to enough physi...

Was raised in this article today which i just discussed in the previous segment. could we have gotten this information, whatever information we got, could we have obtained it faster if these techniques had not got engine the way? >> that's the correct assessment. the element of interrogation, what works, what's scientifically demonstrated efficacy of the approach the parkt approach is going to work. there's no shortcut. there's no time expedient approach. it's not backed up by what we know from science. >> in the military study citing in the last segment, it indicates that it is likely to be c...

Previous segment. could we have gotten this information, whatever information we got, could we have obtained it faster if these techniques had not got engine the way? >> that's the correct assessment. the element of interrogation, what works, what's scientifically demonstrated efficacy of the approach the parkt approach is going to work. there's no shortcut. there's no time expedient approach. it's not backed up by what we know from science. >> in the military study citing in the last segment, it indicates that it is likely to be counterproductive. it is likely to increase the suggest's hatred...

Interrogator in both iraq wars. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to get to this point, let's get past the question of exactly what did we get through these enhanced techniques. but the question of timing which was raised in this article today which i just discussed in the previous segment. could we have gotten this information, whatever information we got, could we have obtained it faster if these techniques had not got engine -- techniques had not gotten in the way. >> that's the correct assessment. the element of interrogation, what works, what's scientifically demonstrated efficacy of ...