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Congress, you can't do anything else. that is a good prescription for failure in his presidency. most presidents have to deal with investigations by the congress. but it doesn't stop them from legislating. bill clinton did not always agree with what the republicans speaker gingrich were doing in the house and they were investigating all kinds of things in the clinton administration. but at the same time, he was working with speaker gingrich and in getting legislation passed, important legislation on the budget and on health care and other areas. most presidents understand that while you don't ...

Even if it includes, you know, bashing his son-in-law. >> no, but she leaks good things for him. good things for him. he hates leakers unless they're leaks that he wants. >> right. >> presidents are all kind of alike. the others too. ronald reagan said i'm up to my ea keister in leaks, but he didn't mind if the leak served the purpose of the administration. so i think that's okay. why is she still there? he likes her. an as i say, they have a relationship that's, well, mongoose and cobra. >> mongoose and cobra. just in terms of where we are with this shutdown and the state of the union, you co...

Opposition as chairman of foreign relation committee, he was never my enemy. think how demeaning our politics has become in terms of how we talk about one another. as the opposition, not enemies. >> sorry, george w. bush event. what is the answer to tamping down the rhetoric? when i posed this to the white house, what they have said is, well, the president is a counterpuncher. any time he perceives somebody in the media or anywhere saying something that he perceives as not being friendly to him, he counterpunches with an insult. what do we do with that? >> we need to listen to joe biden. he's ...

Not prepared for the oncoming, onslaught. a lot of this assumes, of course, that democrats take control of the house of representatives. we lived through something similar when the republicans took the house and the senate in 1994. speaker gingrich in particular instructed the committees and subcommittees to just begin to launch investigations. you know, i did not much more than -- that's not true. the bulk of my work as white house counsel had to do with government investigations. particularly over on the house side but also on the senate side. so you know, look, i think the president is tota...

Newt gingrich contract with america, for the first time since harry truman had control of both houses. lots of people still on the landscape, including joe scarborough. in 2006, after the -- after katrina and the iraq war, you had the democrats take over the house and snenate with nancy pelosi and 2010, you had the tea party revolution against barack obama. would you like to know the pattern i see here, mr. lemon? >> there's a method. i won't say madness. just a saying. go on. >> there's a method to my list. the method is that you see these big democratic wave elections after nixon in '74 and ...