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The news media, get stuff from constantly, big stuff, small stuff. we got an overblown sense of the destruction of norms under donald trump's thinking, every one of them would be certain political suicide. is it possible that even with today's tragedy for sticking with his convictions, for speaking forthrightly, for seeing the mission as he does, and let's hope seeing it through, the consequences politically, and it seems uncomfortable to have such a naked lead political discussion on this very day, the consequences politically for biden could be minimal? >> that's true brian. it's hard to ima...

Constantly, big stuff, small stuff. we got an overblown sense of the destruction of norms under donald trump thinking every one of them would be certain political suicide. is it possible that even with today's tragedy for sticking with his convictions, for speaking forthrightly, for seeing the mission as he does and let's hope seeing it through the consequences politically. and it seems uncomfortable to have such a nakedly political discussion on this very day. the consequences politically for biden could be minimal. >> well, that's true, brian. i mean, it's hard to imagine it could get any wo...