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>> solomon, with all due respect, the mueller investigation is not just the election. it is russia tampering in general. i mean, collusion, that's part of it. what i don't understand is why you keep saying -- you said in the first block, this is not a big deal. anybody who is facing the possibility of going to jail for the rest of their lives or they've lied to a special prosecuter or lied to federal authorities, you don't think that's a big deal? >> oh, i think it's a big deal for manafort. it's obviously a big deal for gates. he's pled guilty and severely limited his exposure. 57 to 71 month...

The rest of their lives or they've lied to a special prosecuter or lied to federal authorities, you don't think that's a big deal? >> oh, i think it's a big deal for manafort. it's obviously a big deal for gates. he's pled guilty and severely limited his exposure. 57 to 71 month guideline range. i think it's a big deal for manafort because the evidence against him now becomes stronger, but -- >> you don't think it's a big deal that the person who is charged with running the united states of america, the president of the united states, hired these people and had these people of for lack of -- t...

Threat to the special prosecuter himself to that office. where would you put the risk today of the president trying to dismiss bob mueller? >> in the same week, mike, as the wolff book came out there was an extraordinary, excellent report from the new york times about the president sending his white house counsel to stop jeff sessions from recusing himself. >> is that obstruction? does that play -- as a prosecuter, would you look at that and say, well, considering that he also lied about the russian meeting on air force one, considering that he also knew that his national security adviser had ...

>> as the new year ended, we started getting news that don mcgahn reportedly knew about what was going on with michael flynn, which means the president knew when he was going to james comey telling him kill this investigation. we also know that michael flynn got a sweet heart deal from the special prosecuter. so there are some things we don't know. there are some things we do know. >> that's right. >> if bob muler eller is fired, people are going to jail. they are going to be charged at the state level, and people like michael flynn will probably spend the rest of his life behind bars. >> we g...

She was sitting at an event, and they met mr. cobson, who, of course, was a business associate of general flynn at one time, and he began to just talk to her about these things, and that's how we -- that's how she came to us. she's very credible. i've practiced law for a long time. interviews hundreds and hundreds of witnesses over the years. i found them to be quite credible. >> congressman, it's our understanding the special prosecuter asked you to withhold public sizing this information until a certain time and now you've released it. what's the reaction and what sort of counsel are going t...