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Wagner tonight wherever you get your podcast. Now it is time for the last word with Lawrence Odonnell. Good evening. Good evening. All they have been trying to think, when is the last time i was in a room with donald trump . Because i was in a room with him today and i think, i am pretty sure this is correct, that it was 13 years ago at the white house Correspondents Dinner in 2011 when president obama had some thoughts with donald trump. That was a big one. I was sitting a couple of tables away, over there, watching the trump side of that and went down to the courtroom today to discover, alex...

>> tim, we've all seen from our spectator seats, not like glen up close but we've seen cooperating witnesses and we've seen the way those stories unfold. i can never remember seeing one like manafort where actually during the cooperation, they are judged to be lying to the prosecutors they are cooperating with. >> manafort is astounding on a number of levels because he also, i think, he appears to be afraid of something beyond just what he's got in front of him, which is robert mueller's team which is enough for somebody to be afraid of in and of itself. we know oleg deripaska. there is always...

Goes right to the heart of what the special counsel is investigating, i mean, that's actually a big ticket admission because they were debating about the import of manafort's lie about his on going communications with him after manafort had been charged criminally. that's pretty mind blowing. i dealt with a lot of cooperating witnesses over the years. manafort is the worst ocho c cooperating witness ever but there was something so desperately important to manafort and by extension, i'm sure others who might be involveed to linvolv involved to lie to the special counsel even after he's a co- co...