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Them criticizing that idea now. your first $24,000 is without tax. >> melissa: this idea, it drives me nuts when i hear people in washington say we're going to pay for these tax breaks. by shifting the tax burden to someone else. i would like to pay for me keeping more of my own money. our people in washington spending less? are we doing that? >> it's the people's money, it's not the government's money. when reagan went into effect, we had $100 million in additional revenue. when the john f. kennedy tax cuts, the same. it increased revenue. congress continue to spend more. we do not have a tax...

Cuts. that's not the question to ask. tax cuts don't need to be paid for. spending needs to be paid for. it's all the spending in the future. we don't have a revenue problem. we have a spending problem. that's the bottom line. >> neil: as you point out, if you're going to worry about how to pay for taxes, that's fine. shouldn't you have a similar zeal to go after the other debt? how do we pay for $1.5 trillion of tax cuts, how do we pay for a similar amount in spending because the spending is a lot more than that anyway. just make it a fool's choice. address that. they don't. >> yeah, we didn'...

Conservatives are going to like. >> shannon: quickly, there are people who say they've forgotten about cutting spending. >> hello. washington doesn't have a tax problem. it has a spending problem. if they had begun with that at the very beginning, this whole process would be easier. >> shannon: gentlemen, we have to leave it there. chris and i will get back to you on that, charlie. >> i like that "hello." >> shannon: all right, hello and goodbye. gentlemen, coming up are going to have the latest from the president's visit to south korea coming live. stick around whoooo. i enjoy the fresher thi...

Conservatives are going to like. >> shannon: quickly, there are people who say they've forgotten about cutting spending. >> hello. washington doesn't have a tax problem. it has a spending problem. if they had begun with that at the very beginning, this whole process would be easier. >> shannon: gentlemen, we have to leave it there. chris and i will get back to you on that, charlie. >> i like that "hello." >> shannon: all right, hello and goodbye. gentlemen, coming up are going to have the latest from the president's visit to south korea coming live. stick around. whoooo.

Blueprint that is going to blow a $2.4 trillion hole in the deficit, when people who were, -- >> if you're going to accuse me of hypocrisy, we have a spending problem in this country. the text could you bring and what is needed. [multiple speakers] >> republicans have not called for this trillion dollars and cuts. >> republicans are completely gutless when it comes to spending. no one can deny that but that is not hypocrisy on the part of anyone in the panel. >> i'm the saying the republican party that has been fighting to rein in the deficit, seems to be okay now. right? [multiple speakers] >...