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Let's get more from sarah, check and cat. cat, on that, is it true that they can't re-visit this, won't re-visit this and any behind of fiscal discipline to paraphrase leon panetta is gone? >> i think i would be so surprised that i would die. it's clearly not going to happen. rand paul was the only one to come out and actually say hey, remember that spending stuff and that debt stuff that we as republicans were so concerned about when obama was president? why aren't we talking about that anymore? the gop is not a fiscally conservative party anymore. tried to brand itself as one in the mid 2010...

Companies needs. what insurance company is going to get into the market when there may be a totally different law that has different regulations on how we provide health insurance to our customers. that is why this is so problematic and why they are really trying to thread a needle here but the threat is invisible. >> julie: the biggest reason this is problematic is because republicans do not have the votes to pass this health care bill. democrats are not going to oblige as long as the g.o.p. wants to repeal. the question is, can they pull it off without a full repeal? how is this for conserva...

Things. we are -- we are talking about barbie dolls and legos. you mentioned to me during the break that parents are spending stuff on staples this year. >> this holiday season they sit down and say how much money do i have. what do the kid need, what do they want, also they are growing. they have to buy shoes $because they have grown out of those shoes. so they are using christmas to go out and buy those things they will have to buy no matter what. that's one of the reasons you are seeing a lot of toy sales start to drift lower during this time of year. gregg: do it mean the retailer, toy sto...

That creates thousands of jobs every time you switch on a program somewhere. there's a lot of skepticism about that and that is largely the fault of the obama administration and they promised by now, if we passed that stimulus bill, we would have 5% unemployment. real unemployment is 14%. we know that these things are increasingly met with the public's skepticism, not with, oh, joy. when you say a job's bill, it sounds great, but now people are like, what does that mean? what does it do? they don't see the connection. they didn't see the stimulus dropping unemployment to, like i said, right no...

Football, the other party not it in power, decides it's an of important thing. and president obama used to hate the debt ceilings. it's time to build something that controls the deficit properly and not arbitrary. >> brenda: toby, doesn't this basically give a blank check to washington saying we don't need a limit. at least when we have a limit we're forced to look at that number and realize how much we're borrowing. >> if that logic were true, they wouldn't have passed any of the spending stuff. first off, two countries in the world, united states and sweden who have a debt ceiling. people go...