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Leadership here. without the commitment of house republicans passing a plan to raise the debt ceiling and take on our nation's opinionses and and turn the trajectory of -- finances and turn the trajectory of this debate with the white house and without the speaker's firm commitment, we would not have been in the these negotiations. and the negotiations were intense, they were quite challenging. the outcome of that is a fundamental shift in the spending trajectory in washington. this is the biggest set of spending cuts and substantial change from the spending in the last two years for this admi...

And chose not to do it. what did we do january 19? we said we would pay our debts. we passed a built and now push negotiate it forward. >> sandra: what would be the goal for democrats, for this white house to make this a political event as you just described it? >> first of all, we have to pay our debts. second of all, we have to change the spending trajectory. we talked about events where we had fundamental changes in spending. they all occurred when we had a debt limit discussion. no different today, this biden administration has put $10 trillion of new spending in play. we're talking about ...

Indicative of the lack of leadership from the president is that issues are ignored until they hit a crisis point. joe biden has known about this. he could have negotiated it. i will add, joe biden could have raised the debt ceiling was nancy pelosi was speaker of the house six months ago. >> there were no spending cuts in those agreements. the republicans went along with it without any strings tied to it. >> you also gotta remember, our national debt wasn't also $31.5 trillion at the time. our actual -- our spending trajectory was lower than right now under joe biden. and frankly, even the las...

Have long said, lisa, you did not have to blow up the entire healthcare system to get those couple of things past. the ban on pre-existing conditions, failing to issue policies for pre-existing conditions, and allowing young people to stay on their parent's policies, you did not have to write this entire gargantuan law to be able to make those things happen. >> yes, and a lot of things we worried about are happening, there are more sick and costly people signing up and not enough healthy people that are pure they would rather pay the penalty because it is ultimately going to be cheaper. this i...

Confirm the conservative ethos in the community. >> and both chambers of commerce approved a increase to the nation's debt limit without curving spending. this is what house speaker boehner had to say about it. >> it is a lost opportunity for america. we are on a spending trajectory that is unsustainable. the president knows and every republican and democrat in this town knows it and it has to be dealt with and it is a desappointing moment. >> it was a disappointing moment. raising the debt seouling. and david web you are a tea party guy. how frustrated were you and was this a real failure? >>...