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So where she is known, she really does support build support and enthusiasm. so i take her point, and i've been part of spinning polls. that's not spin. she really is in a different position than the better known democratic candidates in that top tier. >> hoping for a firewall in south carolina. >> well, firewall in south carolina. if she could finish respectably in iowa, that would be a big help. i really think she needs to spend time. >> if iowa doesn't do well and new hampshire, the field is wide open for not biden. and i really am convinced that not biden will be a woman. i can tell you, b...

Usual this week, i believe on 9/11. that's another story for another day. but she is of that top tier, other than mayor pete buttigieg, and she is ahead of him, she is the least known nationally. if you look at the size of her crowd on the day she announced in oakland where she is from, she had 20,000 people there. so where she is known, she really does support build support and enthusiasm. so i take her point, and i've been part of spinning polls. that's not spin. she really is in a different position than the better known democratic candidates in that top tier. >> hoping for a firewall in so...