so where she is known, she really does support build support and enthusiasm. so i take her point, and i've been part of spinning polls. that's not spin. she really is in a different position than the better known democratic candidates in that top tier. >> hoping for a firewall in south carolina. >> well, firewall in south carolina. if she could finish respectably in iowa, that would be a big help. i really think she needs to spend time. >> if iowa doesn't do well and new hampshire, the field is wide open for not biden. and i really am convinced that not biden will be a woman. i can tell you, black women will think about her very differently if biden does not seem viable. >> if biden does not seem viable. and then if she could do bellwell in iowa. >> whole different race. >> pick up momentum in south carolina. and the final thing on her, i think it's very smart of her to pick up sort of the environmental mantle of california, associate herself with california. she was the attorney general.