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Developing that strong process with them. the right honourable gentleman talks about defence procurement i want to thank him for many of the things in it we are now doing. i want to say obviously, give credit to him for his report, but some of them have also been my observation around sros, around 75%, 50%, observations around a spiral development cost, observations about gold plating and over spec and that is too often given prices through the roof and for the colleagues opposite who are heckling who have been ministers in this department they will know that of all the departments to serving this is not a departments to serving this is not a department that moves at the greatest speed of reform. it takes time and you only have to look at the record of every single one of the record of every single one of the ministers in this house for ministers to know how hard it is. it ....