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Party think about how to be more conservative and act quickly but i don't think it's one person or one caucus's fault. >> the question if answered honestly will add much more gray hair to your head do you believe the democratic party would be better served without pelosi and schumer as the leaders? >> no because there's no way anyone can navigate these slim majority without speaker's experience or biden's experience. i've been in congress three terms -- you know so many people. biden, schumer, pelosi they know a lot of people and those relationships matter. are there things i believe a new gen...

Medical to first and second amend amount. >> could be free speech -- >> my next guest, mark herron was in court today making the argues umts for reproductive rights in texas. what did you make of justice kavanaugh's responses? >> well, i think it was spot-on question. you know. as we've been saying all along, although sb 8 is abortion restriction and the most extreme abortion restriction we've ever seen, the questions today in front of the supreme court were not just about abortion. everyone, it seems like all of the justices agree that this is patently unconstitution allow. the question reall...

Now, the question should be will the democrats deliver biden a win? but now the question's become, can biden deliver the democrats a win? is that fair? just mcintosh and michael here to discuss. ordinarily i'd start with you jess but i'm going to put you on the defensive so i will start with michael. the fact that biden's got to find a way to close this deal, that they keep setting these deadlines that they're not sure they can meet. they have one in four americans believing these two bills are the most epic policy move since the new deal. only one in four americans think it's good for people ...

West virginia. i can't imagine that there's a lot of west virginians cheering to take down social programs in this crisis. >> -- last word michael? >> i think he's asking a question all americans, including those in west virginia can understand, which is, can we afford it? how much is it going to cost? >> jess, appreciate you, michael, you connect the dots. why don't you try to connect the dots, no i'm kidding. thank you both very much, take care. >> thanks. >> every time he tells me i can't connect the dots. maybe he's right. the supreme court considered challenges to the most restrictive a...

Liability. it's one of the many, many, many pernicious things about this law where texas has created special rules, seoully in order to be able to turn the courts into a weapon to nullify constitutional rights. i think he was really concerned about that. there are other parts of the law that the justices were really concerned about as well. you know. so i don't know. i'm not going to try to read too much into any tea leaves into that question. >> it is a pivotal moment in our juris prudential history and you're part of it, mark herron, thank you very much, and congratulations on facing the cou...