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More amenable to supporting these things. one thing we found in our reporting is that there are some people in the white house, and those are the people directly negotiating with her, that say look erin else who is frustrated, that's because they're not part of the process. they don't know because they don't need to know. we think she has been honest and direct. she is detailed oriented. she comes in with spread sheets. so among those core people in the white house talking to her regularly, they are the most optimistic of the entire bunch. >> so peter alexander, excuse me, i get choked up when...

Yeah for excel spread sheets. and manchester united hos -- injuries stricken everton runs on fumes but this is like the scene from rocky iv where old rocky realizes he can bleed. and then look at this. ronaldo's signature celebration. manchester united the og media of the premier league. >> you say that with daddy here. it burns. >> i'm a sort of city arsenal fan. >> i was on way too early this morning. i get all these sports stories, baseball. i have no idea. viewers, i'm honest, why don't

In the world, you have in your sports teams, franchises, salary caps, socialism for rich guy owners. there's none of that in the premier league. at tend of the day, we're just cheering for money, for excel spread sheets. this week the united states men pick up their qualification for world cup. it will be in qatar. >> roger bennett, thank you very much. and it's great to have you on. ed loose, your latest piece for the financial times is entitled we should pay more heed to alarmists. >> it sounds like very optimistic way to start the week. fill us in. >> i was responding to the bob kagen piece...

They give me the prep? at least i'd know the teams. a fighting chance. >> you know miles per hour i do. double k. >> double k? >> k squared. >> we call her special k. >> actually, that's a drug. it's doing the rounds of nightclubs in berlin. >> i thought it was a breakfast cereal. >> this has gone off the rails. >> roger, let's talk about excel spread sheets. i went with liverpool. i love the rain and they hadn't won in 25 years. my son picked chelsea. and i said my god, you might as well be cheering for microsoft, but microsoft is doing pretty well right now at the top of the league. i don't ...

Surprised they held the line because frankly there's more of them. they certainly need that number, but i think going back to the idea of like flake and mccain bucking the party, i agree with you they did. is not a g the party stance. it's not an ideology. i don't know -- if sinema can explain to us why, what precisely that she wants there could be something to work here. but she's not doing that. and so therefore it's just like oh, the white house is meeting with her all the time and she saysim they know what i want, a they're like we don't know what you want, please explain to us. and i thin...