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One of the reasons i think elizabeth warren has done so well is she was out early and back last spring calling for impeachment inquiry and been tough about it and one of the big questions that democrats are going to want to resolve is not only who has a better chance of winning but who is more effective against trump in a debate and wrestling match on a debate. so far she's done pretty well in that category. >> joe, you saw biden say and also nudge the president on not releasing tax returns and susan rice brought this up, it is easy to turn on its head. does he want to talk about family financ...

For president trump's impeachment. >> to preserve our constitution, our democracy, our basic integrity, he should be impeached. we have to remember that impeachment isn't only -- isn't only about what the president's done. it's about the threat the president poses to the nation if allowed to remain in office. >> president trump later called the comments, quote, pathetic. back with me are david gergen and joe lockhart. david, what do you make of the former vice president coming out publicly in support of impeachment? it wouldn't surprise many people, i suppose, but did it surprise you? >> i tho...