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But i think what we're seeing, in fact, is more people come forward. now we have a second whistle-blower with firsthand experience of what happened, corroborating exactly what's already out there, and indeed president trump's own transcript corroborates exactly what's in the whistle-blower's statement. so i actually think, anderson, that we have enough patriots still working in this government all throughout the agencies who have to be deeply disturbed about this. >> when you hear the president saying repeatedly that it was the perfect phone call, nothing wrong with it, then asking china for h...

They have been critical of what the president has done to the kurds, the betrayal of the kurds. i'm not sure if that's part of his calculus that he doesn't like what lindsey graham is going around saying, and that's part of this. >> yeah. listen, i -- >> it's also true -- >> sorry. go ahead, joe. >> i think there's been a little bit of a trickle and i think that worries the president and his team. you've seen senator collins, senator portman, senator sasse say things like, you know, the president shouldn't be reaching out to china and, you know, making that while staying silent on ukraine. you...

Interference in the 2016 election? president trump wants to get to the truth. he wants to know what happened in 2016. and the american people have a right to know. >> reporter: but the president himself said he asked aer foen government to investigate his political rivals. so is that okay with you? >> i don't believe that's the case. >> he said it. the president said that. >> that's how adam schiff characterized it. the american people should read the transcript and they will see that the president did nothing wrong. no pressure, no quid pro quo. the president simply raised issues of importanc...

Believe president trump asked ukrain to investigate. joe biden his political rival. we all know that isn't true because the president had said that. we have seen it in a transcript that white house released to the public and the president doubled down on the white house lawn. we heard that in your introduction. so for some reason vice president pence will not accept that no matter how many times i tried to tell him that. >> he can read. i can't imagine he doesn't can know the facts. i mean he lukes to seem as if he believes everything he says but it seems hard to imagine. the president called ...

Of nonanswerers. before we show you the exchange with randy, there are two pieces of sound you need to hear. the first is what vice president mike pence said about whether foritners should interfere in american elections. >> now you all need know throughout this is basic stuff. foreign donors and certainly foritten governments cannot participate in the american political process. >> wow, okay. basic stuff, he said. gall galley gee, seems simple. here's from the president less than a week ago on the south lawn of the white house talking about ukrain. >> they should investigate the bidens becaus...