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Rogue? is there another example? >> i'll say one thing on that. we put it up there so people can see. we know that's very rare. we know that this was too much for even meadows and giuliani, and the assistant mr. ziegler had his credentials revoked. that hadn't been reported. that was from print reporting from times even two months ago. the last thing, i'm going to put this timeline back on the screen briefly. this is from a range of evidence and reporting and lord knows the committee and criminal investigators have far more, but the timeline would suggest things that all cohere around january ...

Forward with this. so this is wrong. this is bad policy. we have said this time and time again but this is an agency that is calling the playbook that donald trump himself wrote to instill fear in our communities. >> and i want to once again praise the work of alex love and other reporters in mississippi today that brought us the real i'm m images, photograph, video, real print reporting what was really happening and the president of the united states was really doing yesterday and the most important person we heard from about that yesterday was that little girl telling us exactly what the pre...

Forward with this. so this is wrong. this is bad policy. we have said this time and time again but this is an agency that is calling the playbook that donald trump himself wrote to instill fear in our communities. >> and i want to once again praise the work of alex love and other reporters in mississippi today that brought us the real images, photograph, video, real print reporting what was really happening and the president of the united states was really doing yesterday and the most important person we heard from about that yesterday was that little girl telling us exactly what the president...

Did dogged reporting, print reporting. that drove something. how does all of this in your view relate to the larger political project which is a world where people are exhausted and cynic al at times. >> this is an incredibly important point. you see a lot of this. a lot of people are just sort of bogged down by the terrible news, the scandal, you know, many people sort of thought of the reporting on epstein which is particularly horrifying in its predatory nature as almost part of the haze of scandal. what i think is really important with this and with the census is trump can be be forced to ...

You. can i make one point about that press conference? >> yes, you can. >> there's something -- two exciting things happened in that press conference today, for me, a reporter who lives out in pittsburgh. they -- >> the skype. >> yeah. >> that was great. i think that is so amazing. i mean, because there's so many sort of different voices in local news print reporting, that will -- >> they're setting up two skype stations i believe for -- >> four, i believe. >> four skype stations for reporters outside the beltway, so they get a chance to weigh-in on the process that -- on the political process...