They were innocent, they would haven't a fisa warrant going on right now. they would not have -- it's not just wiretaps, this is the awesome collection power of the national security agency and all of our allies which means we can handle any information we get on someone who we believe is in communications with a russian intelligence spy. >> so here's the remarkable thing, too, about the specifics of the flynn intercept which is is what the ambassador -- what would the change of custody of a transcript like that be like? it's remarkable to me that in some ways it's gotten out. this is a piece ...