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Next fall will determine a lot more than that squabble that went on there. >> but at the same time, 20 million people have watched these debates already. it's an extraordinary number. and i think that people are so intensely focused, precisely for the reasons that jack and harold have been talking about. the income disparities, and the suffering, the economic pain that people are feeling. and they're looking for leadership. and the question then becomes, which of these republicans in that kind of squabbling match are showing that kind of leadership. >> i think the debates have been consequenti...

>> just watching i start to perspire. jack, what have we learned after these debates? do you think republican primary voters are closer to making up their minds? >> well, i think they're moving towards a candidate. but these squabbles that occur during these debates, they occurred, in the democratic debates before. now when obama and clinton were going at it. these things will be lost in the rounds. i agree with harold that how the american family is doing next fall will determine a lot more than that squabble that went on there. >> but at the same time, 20 million people have watched these de...