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Do you agree with any of that, hillary? >> i think that every campaign goes through its sort of -- every losing campaign, its back fighting about staff and dysfunction and organization and all those things about process. but i think what was most interesting to me about this book was the conversations, for instance, that they had after hillary lost the michigan primary to bernie sanders and there was a conversation with hillary, bill and the staff about what happened. and the staff was very focussed on process. we didn't do this. we didn't do that. and bill and hillary said we didn't have an e...

Understandable, but i have to say, when you hear a quote like that from orrin hatch, would we have heard him say something like that before the primary in utah? >> doubtful. very doubtful. listen, orrin hatch is 78 years old. he's worried about his legacy and he also wants to do -- >> so he got elected, he got out of the ditch, essentially, and now it's legacy watch? >> i think it is. and i think it's also about doing what's right for the country. and i think he's a little tired of no compromise, as part of the republican politics and democratic politics as well. and i think that he wants to s...