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That's at the heart of the issue. let's bring in krystal ball, cohost of "the cycle," and susan del percio, strategist and msnbc contributor. great to have both of you with us here tonight. mitch mcconnell's comment cuts to the heart of it here. republicans, do they want to legislate their personal beliefs on the american people, no matter where the majority of people stand? susan, you're somewhat of a moderate on this issue. will this make a difference, if they push this issue? >> it absolutely will. there has to be room for different opinions within the republican party on this issue. there'...

Do you think there is too much fear there? >> you have to take it one step further. they would support a government shutdown if they felt that it would lead to significant budget cuts. and to be blunt, sean, to shut the government down for the sake of shutting it down has the support of only 20 to 25% of the american people. the others to take you up to the 58% want to know that meaningful significant cuts will be made in wasteful, washington, spending so their kids don't get stuck with deficits and debts for years to come. >> sean: here is the question that i have. look if there was a fear of...

Kids don't get stuck with deficits and debts for years to come. >> sean: here is the question that i have. look if there was a fear of a government shutdown, shoddent their greater fear be that they promised the $61 billion in cuts this year. the argument is we only control one half of one third of the house. that is not why they got hired. they got hired to stake a stand and fight and bring fiscal discipline to washington. next week if there is not the government shutdown, paul ryan is going release his budget. he is talking about 6, $7 trillion. trillion. if they can't stand for tens of bill...

A very progressive community that speaks of the next america and reminds them of what's important. so that's political. >> david wilson is founder and managing editor of thegrio.com. who doesn't love hip-hop music? it's fun to put it together this way. twh did, though, david, hip-hop become some sort of a national political force? >> well, it's always been based on politics. what this series will focus on is the growing influence of hip-hop so you've gone from the sort of sista souljah moment with bill clinton to jay-z being at the white house. you're seeing hip-hop take a stand, or at least s...

Which way to tuesday for take a stand and he had the political guts to do it because he's not running for reelection. if this body is going to say one thing, they should honor that commitment. we should be decent representatives of the american people. if we are going to say we'll abide by pay-go rules then we should stand by it. just tell us how it's going to be paid, where it will not add to the deficit, and nobody can do that. republicans who did not back him up and they were all running from the hills. shame on them. shame on them. because what the american people across all this political...