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The budget. this matters especially about whether their budget tricks or playing it straightforward because manchin is going to want this to be about revenue neutral as possible. and of the effect of inflation and more debt piling on top of $29 trillion of debt. >> sure, first of all, you have to acknowledge, it's a historic piece of legislation and it has an extraordinary range and new programs and important programs from climate change to pre-k to all sorts of things we need for this country. i am all for the idea of leaning in on those issues. the question is how do you lean on them and whe...

>> bret: president biden being asked about the giant, giant bill up on capitol hill 3.5 trillion he said we are going to pay for everything we spend. it's all paid for. this is now the "wall street journal" writes it. budget tricks disguise the true cost of bifned. entitlement. democrats find way to cradle to welfare statement demanding what they claim 3.5 trillion over 0 years. the truth is that even that gargantuan number hides the real cost of their plans. the bills moving through committees are full of delayed starts, phony phaseouts and cost shifting to states designed to fit 3.5 trillion...

Into del rio. it gets to the question of whether supposedly humane asked, rolling back some of the trump policies remain in mexico. it was bad and means that a lot of people are living in mexico. the flip side is you have people peeling the doors open and coming across the border and ending up in very bad situations. one of the reasons that the president was pushing back so hard on kamala harris also pushing back so hard is because they are taking heat on this particular part of the issue on the border crisis about the horses and the alleged whipping from the left, from their base as opposed t...

3.5 trillion seconds is 111,000 years. that's the difference. >> sandra: it does not matter, because that $3.5 trillion number, "the wall street journal" says and sodas larry kudlow is a phony number. this is the piece this morning, budget tricks disguise the vast entitlement plan. >> if you score this thing, well, this entitlement, it will be five years, this will be seven, this will put a cost share with the states, it's nonsense. when the ceo does get around to doing this, and they were very good at scoring, it's going to be very close to $5 trillion. so here's my point, the official scorek...