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Can see when they score this thing, probably the higher deficit for the last few years than if we left it alone, and healthcare stocks expecting this, debt and deficit impact the next few years. dagen: even when they say they are cutting their budget tricks, and what the senate does with the healthcare bill. >> the buildup that was passed, when you look at the budget, in less you take the administration has a huge opportunity for conservative leadership, fiscally responsible leadership and continue funding things like the national endowment for the arts. $19 trillion to take care of and take t...

Struck down, remember this is a healthcare law that is full of budget tricks, accounting gimmicks and broken promises. i think when you actually get down to the real cost of this healthcare law, the cost is that it's caused so much uncertainty for the businesses of the country, the people that actually hire people, that put people back to work, that businesses all around the country have been reluctant to make that decision and the commitment to hire someone new because of the threats coming out of the obama administration of increasing taxes, the mandates of the healthcare law and additional ...

>> you're saying -- >> i think the first thing i want to say there's a surplus then they $26 million they took for foreclosures, why don't they give that back? why don't they put it in education? they know it's not a surplus. they used the credit card and put it on our children and grand children and used budget tricks. >> we're out of time. i appreciate your coming on. great to have you with us tonight. i appreciate it. tomorrow's recall election is about the boots on the ground versus big money. tom barrett and malin mitchell are here with the latest. in florida bad news for republicans ...

>> rather lay off teachers. that's the cut we're talking about. all this kind of jerry rigging you're doing with the business. let me tell you something. a cut is a cut. if you tell a retired teacher that they have to pay more into their health care and on a fixed income, they're going to respond to that. that's a cut to their kitchen table. that's a cut to them. i want to give you one final question. is it true there's a surplus in the budget in wisconsin? yes or no. >> as we speak, yes. >> you're saying -- >> i think the first thing i want to say there's a surplus then that $26 million they ...

The budget in wisconsin? yes or no. >> as we speak, yes. >> you're saying -- >> i think the first thing i want to say there's a surplus then that $26 million they took for foreclosures, why don't think give that back? why don't they put it in education? they know it's not a surplus. they used the credit card and put it on our children and grand children and used budget tricks. >> we're out of time. i appreciate your coming on. great to have you with us tonight. i appreciate it. tomorrow's recall election is about the boots on the ground versus big money. tom barrett and mahlon mitchell are h...