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Now, you know, this law is based deeply rooted in common sense. it's what arizona needs. but it has a solid legal foundation. should it be challenged, we would certainly think it will stand up to legal scrutiny. why? because it affords every possible legal protection in the law not least of which our fourth amendments rights, the rights of all person to be secure in their persons, papers, facts and against reasonable search and seizure. we would hope that the special interests representing illegal aliens who have no legal right to be in arizona do not interfere in the affairs of arizona. becau...

Republicans say that's not the -- citing budget problems but republicans say that's not the real reason for the delay. david, why the delay? >> as you point out, if you believe the governor, david paterson, the main reason is money. paterson, a democrat, has to call a special election in order to temporarily fill massa's seat before the november election. despite indicating early on he would do so, he now says the cost is simply too high, especially since rural upstate new york counties in the 29th district face what he has termed an economic crisis. republicans say, though, this is a stall ta...

I believe him 100%, no question in my mind. i believe jim jordan 100%, he's an outstanding man. lets bring in jonathan allen. ken thomas, white house reporter for the associated press. barbara mcquaid, former u.s. attorney for eastern direct of michigan. now a legal analyst. ba barbara let me start with you. on the news rudy giuliani is making tonight, the president might agree to an interview with robert mueller, saying essentially, mueller has to have proof the president committed crimes, his testimony may be essential to the investigation. is giuliani saying this is not going to happen? >> ...

In a civil case at least. now, a criminal bar is one we hold more water in. still, don, there is some reason for mueller to get that voluntary cooperation. and the reason for that is it will drag out the battle whether the president can testify or whether he will then be excelled to do so. and it's the definition of a stall tactic being used by trump's team to suggest they could not have the power to do so. >> jeffrey toobin thinks that president trump will ultimately take the fifth. what do you think about that? >> i mean i would advise him to if i were her lawyer given how he responds to que...

Ken starr also issued a subpoena to then president bill clinton. now, he ended up withdrawing it once he agreed to a testimony tape before a grand jury. but there's no precedent to say that the president of the united states could in fact be not above the law. in this case you have a grand jury for the purpose of saying, we would like to compel testimony in a criminal matter. we already know the supreme court has been very, very adamant and lower courts now are starting to agree, new york particularly, that the president of the united states is not above the law, but that they must comply with...