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That have written textbooks on this subject, folks who have the subject, if you have an opinion that is difference than theirs, let's have it. you've got ours. by the way, lawrence, once we obtained the opinions that we got from stan bran and mr. rosenberg, we then had five additional experts to agree with that, with the opinion. so if they have an opinion, we need to see it. >> and just so i -- you and i know but i want the audience to know that the people advising you on this issue are recognized in washington as the leading authorities on house parliamentary procedure with careers built on ...

>> line of scrimmage, seeking the truth is the obligation of this committee. i can see no point in going further. there is no expectation that ms. lerner will cooperate with this committee and therefore we stand adjourned. >> mr. chairman, i have a statement .i have a procedural question, mr. chairman. mr. chairman, i have a procedural question. mr. chairman, you can not run a committee like this. you just cannot do this. this is -- we're better than as a country. we're better than that as a committee. i have asked for a few minutes to ask a procedural -- now you're turning me off. >> in that ...

Has called a fatal error. joining me now is attorney stan bran who has served as general counsel to the u.s. house of representatives under the speakership of democrat tip o'neill and luke russert who broke this story. stan brand, you have advised the committee, elijah cummings and the house of representatives that what we just witnessed on video there is is a fatal procedural error for the investigation of that committee, specifically in regards to lois lerner. explain to us what you saw happen there. >> well, these proceedings, lawrence, aren't beanbags. they're legal proceedings with very s...