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Down or overthrow the government of the united states, is a charge certainly that was talked about, and it s one that undoubtedly the department of justice will assemble a lot more evidence than we were able to get because so many people refused to testify to us, either they just blew off our subpoenas or they came in and took the fifth amendment. what we would need to show there is that there was intent by donald trump himself or eastman himself to engage in violence. and we took a very cautious approach. the committee feels unanimously there s abundant evidence of all these other charges but given the constraints put on us by people refusing to testify, we were not able to agree that this was a charge that was fully made, and we decided to stick with what we thought seemed to us certain. thank you for explaining that. i think that the john eastman, you talked about john eastman, he s the person who in all of these hearings seemed to have had the longest standing plan, ....