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Was he being scapegoated? just listen he has orders and rules and regulations to follow. plus, how much can he do without the full support of congress and the biden administration? >> not very much. he could stand up for the workforce. he could request resources from the white house. he could request changes in policy. he has done none of that. all the public meetings he's had the press conferences have all been to degrade those horse patrol agents but he spent more time from the cam on that issue than i've seen on any other matter within out-of-control crisis in our border. arthel: dhs record...

Getting tony told me this story. he was your former coach, senator oustanding player thought she could be better and all over it at practice and pulled coach over and a say we doapght like the way treating her sometimes employees have to tell ceo. that's our leadership and captain at the time made some great decisions, and do the right things all of the time. >> right, obviously, john she's really let herself go in retirement. [laughter] ready to play, really bothers me. you know -- at that age congratulations pick it up. it is great. >> appreciate it works for sports and light and your busine...

She's not going to budge? >> i think when she does get the house speakership title tomorrow, unlikely she will budge then, too. speaker designate pelosi will come to this meeting feeling like she has strength. she has the backing of the democrats and will have the majority in the house starting tomorrow and that -- their opposition to the wall is just as central to the democrats message and the democrats thinking as support for the wall is to president trump and many republicans. >> julie: yeah, the democrats will also propose the department of homeland security, which oversees border security...

Are in first and foremost. this is a horrific terrific incident that happened with this officer dying and it is 100% because of sanctuary cities, 100% because you create a magnet for these individuals that like to break the law which just by the fact that you are illegally in this country you are already a criminal plain and simple. people say he's just illegally in the country, not a criminal, is illegally in the country, that makes mcconnell. it is at the hands of any single individual, politician or whoever it may be that support sanctuary cities. >> democrats take over the house in january...

You know another billion people in poverty which is the primary goal of theirs, i think we need to redefine the goal to the relationship with china to seek win-win situations with is what the president is saying. he wants a good relationship with china. this seems kind of an interesting way to maintain good relationship with north korea. >> shannon: i don't know you said the chinese leaders have a great deal of pride. you mention a win-win situation. they have to save face. our president will want to as well. how does this standoff end? >> right now it doesn't look like it is ending anytime so...