Attention of law enforcement, unless one of those members of the public, who is a party of that conversation, that stands up, speaks up, and -- and indicates to the authorities that they think there is a problem with somebody they know. it is exceedingly rare. it's what what we need the public to do but it's -- it's very hard information to come across. >> jason, i want to bring you in, again. you know, when we heard the developments at the press conference, just so much emotional all around, right? but who could even begin to fathom what it was like for those parents? parents who lost their c...