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To what does it mean to refer this information, we felt there needed to be, given history and tradition and common sense, a full report and we needed to prove our case and what was the case, the case was president clinton had committed perjury, had obstructed justice and ironically, in count 11 of our reports congress, we contended he abused the power of the presidency including, are you ready for this? the invocation of executive privilege in a totally frivolous way and people can go back. >> didn't they call it presidential privilege or something like that. >> a protected function. >> that's...

Impeachment, i can't even sometimes get my hands around exactly what he's being impeached for. he didn't tell the ukrainians to interfere with an election. they can talk about whether they liked the phone call or not, they can talk about bribery all they want. when you look at the bare bones of the constitutional language in the history, we have never seen anything like this before. >> nothing close. take the abuse of power, article one and then lay that alongside the abuse of power article and the three prong mix of impeachment, a fair-minded person when he or she reads the nixon abuse of pow...

Differences between what you did and what congress did back then and what's being done today to president trump. >> there's a reliance under the statute on an independent officer, call him special counsel to go gather the information, assess the information, to come to a judgment as to whether the statutory standard had been reached and that is the record set level of information of evidence that meant we needed to, as we unanimously did on my staff it was my ultimate judgment, that we needed to refer the language of the statute. >> so you were required under the statute, if there was a matter...

And so on. >> it's gone on since george washington. >> george washington evoked what we call executive privileges. >> to raise it to the level of an impeachable offense, and if they get away with that, where does that leave the country? where does that leave these branches of government, the all-powerful house of representatives and a weakened president question. this is greatly concerning from a constitutional perspective, is it not. >> we used to talk about the imperial presidency but now we can talk about the imperial and imperious house of representatives. this is a chapter in our history ...

Mark: judge star, a tough question really, how do we unravel all of this? what do you think? >> you can't unravel it's done or in the process of being done so to draw from the great writer from yesteryear, william faulkner, they endured. we have to endure this and then to take a lesson from history, a link of the chords of memory, we have to remember the things have been handled much differently and much better, there are lessons from peter rodino and nixon and henry hyde so we should take a lesson from churchill. study history. i hope that's what the american people will now do. this has been...