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Television presumably even if it's always on fox news, congressman raskin just laid out all kinds of things donald trump is doing, the possibility he was leaving up and down, the value of his buildings to make more money, profiting off the presidency, all kinds of things that a lindsey graham from 1998 might have thought it was impeachable if trump was a democrat. if the democrats don't want to impeach and the republicans don't seem to care whether high crimes and misdemeanor happened. >> i miss that old lindsey graham, the lindsey graham that said the president didn't have to commit a crime, ...

In the same hearings there was a taping system richard nixon put into the white house in order to tape conversations, which turned out to be a big tax dodge, ironically, but at any rate those tapes rob rated to almost to the word what john dean had testified to in a public hearing and the public knew that. the politics was completely different because the whole story was out and the problem we're experiencing now we have a 400-page report that has just as much material in it incriminating, the crimes explained and the use of social media. the problem is the democrats somehow have to take that ...

They would clear obstruction. it needs to be done in a form that america will understand which is through television and donald trump understands that, that's why he's fighting so hard and trying to continue the obstruction right now in plain sight by trying to prevent us from getting that information. it's very important people see the evidence live. even if we read the mueller report out loud as has been suggested, and it's not a bad idea, it's not the same as hearing the witnesses and judging their credibility. that's really the key is public hearings televised. >> elizabeth, are you surpri...

Understand the scope and dangerousness of the behavior that is set out in the report. >> one of the most important words you heard was television. the reality is in the case of watergate the facts played out in a television drama and there was no report people then had to get and download and get hold of and read. in this case what does seem to be missing is the narrative being laid out by the democrats. would you agree with that? >> there were the senate hearings and in those senate hearings we heard live witnesses to facts. it wasn't a summary by mueller. it was the actual witnesses so the s...

Right now. >> it is a television culture. people don't necessarily read the book, they get the audio book and they watch the television version of a book that becomes a movie. senator richard blumenthal made that point last night. >> whatever our minor differences, our common goal is holding the president accountable and we should begin hearings right away. call them whatever you'd like, an impeachment inquiry, an oversight inquiry. most americans will never read that 450-page report. they are not going to read the book. they need to see the movie robert mueller is that movie. >> the democrats...