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That afternoon, not gonna be there tonight, no, can't be, they're of course they will let him there. so, let's talk about when he does surrender in georgia. he is expected to be treated like any other defendant. former watergate special prosecutor jon sale spoke to msnbc about what that could mean for trump, take a listen to what he said. >> i believe chris christie is right when he says donald trump is afraid to go to prison. and if he's going to be booked like everyone else in atlanta, he's going to spend hours actually locked up, and he might entertain a possible plea bargain. >> can you ev...

The rico charge we just talkedeo about in georgia is apparently would it were to stickt to unpardonable because it's a state charge. and look who crawled out of chappaqua to celebrate. >> madam secretary, fancy meeting you. oh, i can'ncyt. this. yeah. this is not the circumstances in whiche umstance i expected t. talking to you, nor me. rachel, it's always good to talk to you, but honestly, i didn't think that it would be under these circumstances. yet another set of indictments. >> hillary was sitting in the msnbc green room all night just waiting for her one shining moment. momesee, trump de...

The rico charge we just talked about in georgia, were it to stick, is unpardonable because it is a state charge. look who crawled out of chappaqua to celebrate. >> madam secretary, fancy meeting you here. i cannot believe this. this is not the circumstances in which i expected to be talking to you. >> nor me, rachel. it's always good to talk to you, but honestly, i didn't think that it would be under these circumstances. yet another set of indictments. >> hillary was sitting in the msnbc green room all night waiting for her one shining moment. you see, trump destroyed the clinton dynasty, rear...

Higher poll numbers within the party and more loyalty and a feeling that this is not about prosecution but persecution. and then, of course you bring in the hunter biden, joe biden factor and joe biden lying. we talked about earlier. it adds even another dimension to this, doesn't it? it does, and it's it creates sympathy actually in gop circles, even some folks who maybe didn't want to vote for trump say, why are they going after him so hard? maybe there's a reason for this, and they give a second look to him. and then the candidates on the stage will likely say, listen, i'm trump policies bu...

Thank you for that. back to you, ken, on the subject of who, and i know we don't know exactly who might be charged or who will be charged. we do have an idea of who might be charged in the target letters. we know big names like rudy giuliani, potentially, sidney powell, potentially, donald trump, obviously potentially. what about the fake electors, is there anything else? >> eight of them have gotten immunity, katy, so the rest of them potentially are liable for charges, and there's a number of people probably known and unknown in this case who are -- we may see some surprises. that's the inte...