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>> what's fun about this is it's easy to read. it's like you're watching a game where it's easy to read the play. in a way, when we look at it, it doesn't really matter what the subject. it's just really easy to read the play. >> eventually republicans are going to do republican things. they're going to pass a health care bill that includes state flexibility. and mo brooks should have embraced that and said i'm a republican, and i want state flexibility. boehner was the champion at setting the deadline and forcing members to get to yes by then, you have to set a deadline. >> paul ryan doesn't ...

So it's really appalling. >> congressman jolly, david, i can't imagine -- i mean i saw a tweet today that was very funny about the distance between what they were hearing from the white house, a reporter was saying, which is desperate, desperate for a win. >> right. >> and the house members who actually would have to whip the votes and get this thing passed, and they were pretty skeptical. >> look, chris, it is remarkable how hard this white house works to really screw things up, okay? at some point republicans will pass a republican health care bill, and it probably will provide a state waive...

Ignorance and incompetence. ignorance when he was asked a question about the bill and all he could say was better, better, better. why didn't he say we're working on state flexibility? >> that's a good point. >> but more importantly incompetence. >> listen -- >> that's not incredibly won ki to say state flexibility. >> we're looking at a government shutdown next week. i have lived through dozens of them as a member, as a staffer. what you do in the week before a shut dourn, you try to remove contentious issues. you try to clear the deck of anything that could lead to a shutdown. this president...

Will not be taken out of the law because you can't get there on the reconciliation bill. what you can do is allow greater state flexibility on some of those provisions. the fact is this. we have to come to this very basic understanding as a party, do we want to replace obamacare? if we do, it has to be a vehicle that can get through both the house and the senate. the second thing we have to decide as all americans is do we think centralizing our health care bureaucracy and decisions has made it better or worse? we have gone through all these elections that made it clear that obamacare was unpo...

If you roll that back, which is what this bill does, then you're going to lose that benefit and that opioid crisis will continue and accelerate across the country. i mean, state flexibility is great but if you take out $900 billion from the medicaid program and basically block it, that's devastation. >> if you were writing the national health insurance plan, what would it look like? >> well, i think we could build on what we have now. i think it's more complex than it needs to be but it was what we could get through when we were struggling to get it through. i don't see any reason why we could...