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>> but -- >> having more personnel there, we've had more personnel there year after year after year. we're not losing people, you know, we're not losing that profession. so, i feel like we are just doing that thing where we put money towards enforcement of something that is not the heart of the issue. >> right, because it's not the northern border we should be talking about, it's mexico's southern border. like, they're coming from central america. and it's like there's a reason why, and we're contributing to those reasons why, and we're trying to have these separate conversations, but they're not intermingled, but they are. >> that's a more comprehensive coverage of the house be held policy wise. the biden station has a say, look, we need to invest instability and the central american countries. all of these migrants are coming from places like nicaragua and cuba, it is a larger problem, fair point. but look, every crisis contains an opportunity. and democrats need to understand this is not, as you say, some abstract issue. this is fundamental. the folks are feeling, but the biden administration needs to work with republicans, and it may have more border securities
government's responsibility to defend our border. there is a heck of a lot of americans who see people coming across as an invasion. >> right, but you are allowed to apply for asylum. that is one of the laws. >> do you think that every single person standing, waiting to come in on thursday, believes they are here for legitimate asylum? >> is that what congress said? >> or do you think they're just waiting to come in? >> look, i think the whole thing is broken. it's been broken. yes, we've been punched in the mouth, but we've been getting punched in the mouth for years and years and years here. >> but we started the fight as well. >> and our political system and covid failed to deal with it. so, i think this is going to be a bigger problem. and just one other issue on politics. political issues get really bad when there's video and pictures. we don't have people fighting what esoteric ideas. you can see what's happening. so, you can't go to the podium and say, oh, don't worry, which we have under control, what they've done. or, don't worry, it's not as bad as republicans say, which they've done. the republicans are gonna pass
scott that's a local used by white supremacist groups. another photo shows a stash of ammunition. we're back with john avlon, lz granderson, -- scott, jennings and makayla hughes. this all sounds so similar, scott. do you agree that whatever the u.s. is doing, or has done in the past few weeks, is not working to stop mass shootings, and in fact, are increasing? >> yeah, i mean, obviously there are people who are at a minimum need for the review, that are getting their hands on guns. this actually reminds me, a few years ago in texas, there was a shooting of a former military member, i think he was in the air force, and yet some issues there. and that information did not get transferred to the database. and he wound up, was that the church shooting may be. so, similar, deal where you've got a guy who clearly had mental health flag somewhere that never made it into a system that wouldn't picked up by a background check. and when i hear republicans say, look, we need to focus on mental health, we need make sure those things get flagged, obviously, this guy had a mental health flag.
and democrats in my life. a deal with a problem. feel the problem, congress. >> i think you're right. and i think just like on the debt limit, come thursday, it'll be the republican party in washington that passed the bill on both of these issues. >> -- why do that? we were having a substantive conversation on -- >> that little reality. >> and you are doing drive-bys. >> that's a reality in the public and party. >> passing legislation. you just said congress should pass bills. they passed bills on both issues. >> they should also not default on the debt. >> i agree. >> the republican party passed a bill to raise it. >> i mean, we want to talk about everything republicans are passing, because what about the guns? i don't think you want how that conversation. >> we are gonna have that momentarily. and thank you very much. and we are learning more tonight about the texas mall shooter. of course, we've got an epidemic of gun violence. of course, we are living in fear of the next one. so, what can we do about? we'll talk about it. in the clouds of your choice. with flexible multi-cloud services
potential political will somewhere in the soup. but it won't ever gel until there is a fundamental -- >> we have to go. >> validation. >> ten seconds here. >> ten seconds. greg abbott, governor greg, abbott said mental health is the biggest issue driving mass shootings. that man cut 200 and $11 million from the department that handles mental health in texas. so, when i say republicans are offering it up, i'm not taking it lightly, man. >> okay, thank you, really appreciate it, thank you very much for this perspective. let's talk about this. a panel in california taking another step towards reparation payments to black residents. each eligible person to get up to one point $2 million. how would california be able to foot the bill? well, the devils in the details. and john avlon is here to bring us his reality check, next. >> we're going to do some math. >> yes, we are.
so, when i hear about the gun rights that these people, you know, in their hypothetical, will they need to have an ar-15 in their house, why does that supersede the rights of a child to have a family? it is devastating. it is the biggest shame of this nation at this time. and i, frankly, i want, i hear you say the people in congress, republicans in congress, care about this issue. but what evidence is there that supports? that >> well, they did pass, i will just point out, bipartisan legislation passed in the last congress. you had top republicans and top democrats that join together. and i think they went about as far as congress -- >> i know, but the problem is it didn't address these things that so many americans say, by 80%, they want. >> yeah, not everything was in there that some people wanted. that's absolutely true. but it was hailed at the time is one of the largest leaps forward in several years. >> it was progress on an issue that has been stalled by special interests for a long time. those numbers you show, the super majority of americans, that was true after sandy hook.
deep societal issues going on america that have nothing to do with guns, but everything to do with societal issues. and a fundamental lack of respect for human life and human dignity that transcends guns or any other weapon. democrats obviously, liberals, believe it's the guns. it's just nowhere near crossing lines on the graph right now. that's the fundamental debate. so, to say that republicans are effing it up is saying that i don't find your arguments of the root cause of this valid. just like on the immigration question we debated in the first segment. if i said you everything you just said is invalid because i fundamentally disagree with you, that would not be a very productive conversation. to me, where the rubber hits the road here is liberals are going to have to understand that there are people who take the second amendment, and they're individually right, according to the supreme court, to keep and bear arms very seriously. and conservatives are gonna have to take what you said, and what everyone else has just said here, about the need for safety very seriously. only then will anything move on this. and the poll numbers show the
point republicans, and i hate picking on republicans because i am an independent thinker. we just had a conversation that surprise both of us in the hallway. you know i'm an independent thinker. but the proof is in the pudding. it's republicans that is offering this up, man. i'm just being real with it. and they've been dragging this on, and our children are dying in schools at a level. i grew up when we had metal detectors. so, children dying in schools was it in and of itself shocking. but these numbers? >> there's no denying it. there's no denying that's getting worse. there's no denying that kids feel like sitting ducks in their schools. >> yes. >> and that's our reality right now. >> and republicans, there's no denying that the party most responsible for not having any progress on the list that you just presented. >> what are you guys talking about in the hallway? >> oh. >> oh, we talk about a lot of. things polemi just -- address >> [laughter] >> very quickly, very quickly. >> well, there is a fundamental disagreement between republicans and democrats over the root cause of violence. republicans would say there are
so, that's what jumped out to me about this one. >> so, scott, i'm just thinking with you, because you are, you talk to republicans, you are a republican, you're connected to republicans. so, when the fox poll, from, you know, two weeks ago shows the majority of voters favor these proposals, background checks on all gun buyers, 87%, enforcing the existing gun laws, 81%, legal age, going up to 21 to buy all guns, that's 81% of americans who require mental health checks. that's 80%. we're not doing that now. flag people, so, you know, red flag laws, that are a danger to the south, 80%, require a 30-day waiting period, not all states are doing that, 77%. why aren't republican seizing on this? >> well, there are some republicans that represent areas that don't share those views. i mean, that is a poll of americans. but you get into some areas of the country that are represented by republicans that are pretty red and pretty conservative, and they don't think that infringing on the second a minute, their second
a bill on thursday or the house. yes, it's a good start. the -- talk to the republican if he's serious about solving. >> mckayla, here is the house bill, i mean, the bill that republicans want to and will pass on thursday. increasing use of expedited removal, surge 1500 troops -- oh no, this is biden's plan. let me start with a republican plan, not all go to biden's plan. so, the gop immigration bill is keep the remain-in mexico policy. resume wall construction. ban funds for migrant charities. improve border surveillance technology and funding for more personnel on the border. >> i just don't see how any of that addresses the issue. i mean, if these are all things they propose in the past, they are things that are funded in the past, the wall, that whatever is there right now, it hasn't stopped anybody from trying to get here, having more of it isn't going to stop anybody from coming here. i think at the base of all of it is letting people come to this country with dignity. and i think that's, for me, as an american citizen, what seems to be the most fraught point at