Williams with us here in studio. thank you both. we appreciate it. critics of the health care reform legislation say it's similar to what massachusetts implemented a few years ago, something they say hasn't worked. one of those critics is tim cahill the state treasurer of massachusetts and running for governor as an independent. you said that if national health care reform is anything like the system currently in place in your state it will, quote, wipe out the american economy within four years. explain what you mean. >> well, the massachusetts plan has put tremendous stress and strain on o...