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You, the exit question paul butler f donald trump were to pardon michael cohen, michael flynn, paul manafort, what would that do to the mueller probe? >> well, mueller is at least as crafty as donald trump, so people who have exposure on state levels could be charged with state crimes, which the president has no ability to pardon. but it's also true that if he does pardon these people, they can't claim the fifth. >> right. >> so they could be forced to testify. so president trump it ain't going to work. >> it will just create more testimony than you have to give it. >> thank you. interesting. ...

Someone down, and trump world has a lot of people involved in a lot of stretchy things. >> yep. >> michael cohen, the piece about him leads you if a motivated prosecutor wants to make a turn on anybody in the country about anything, he probably can be turned in that sense. so we should be hopefully at the end of the rainbow. when someone turned it's for a good reason. >> yeah, that's right. just like innocent people take the fifth amendment. it doesn't mean that he is actually guilty that he took the fifth in the lawsuit about defamation but in this case it actually could. he has mad exposure ...

Defamation but in this case it actually could. he has mad exposure on any number of federal and state levels. just to be clear, the state exposure means that the president cannot pardon him. the president is not able to pardon anyone for a state crime. >> final question about the money. there is $200,000 plus in legal fees apparently being paid by the trump campaign. the trump campaign says it's all russia-related stuff. it's by the boards. he was exposed to it because of his relationship with the trump campaign. we're not paying for anything else because that would be a problem. >> so if it i...

In the federal and state levels. the florida senate is set to hear a bill that could ntains mt gun provisions that could lead to arming teachers. that's what the nra and uber b lobbyists want. joining me now, a man whose daughter was among those shot in the parkland shooting. what do you make of the debate going on in tallahassee? there is a lot of pressure on families to do something on gun reform. all they are doing is modest reforms. they are still not willing to do things like banning assault weapons and to take the steps that displease the nra. what do you make of that? >> i love the fact...

To say lets up the age to 21, that's one thing that's happening at some state levels. >> harris: i don't think that would've changed the situation with the church shooting. >> marie: no one policy will have been able to prevent every single tragedy as it's happening, that can't be the standard for policymaking. but if it can make it harder for one crazy person to get a gun -- >> harris: if they are under the age of 21. >> marie: i happen to think we should look at high-capacity magazines. >> harris: the reason i say this is not just a pushback to be prickly about it. i say it because if we let...