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Least publicly, susan there are folks who will say i don't think he'll flip, you know, he's just not the guy who will flip, in spite of all this evidence to the contrary. rudy giuliani said also cohen's an honest lawyer. other people have said this is a good guy. >> but that could change -- this administration -- >> right what are you really thinking if you are on the inside at 1600 pennsylvania or you're part of the president's legal team? >> there's just two things i'd like to add to glen's statement. don't forget michael's cohen's partner in the taxi medallion business already cut a deal wi...

Through interpretation. that's very different with trump. he has a lot of local counsel in all these cases that are throwing out these privileges and immunities and they just lost in new york and this is the first time in history that a judge is saying, you have to go into a state proceeding. so with clinton it was a federal proceeding and they argued there was a difference there. so precedence being made here and the cost is not going to be born by trump but his successors. >> what do you think? >> it's like every little quagmire created by the president, this story line along with the others...

The, the people made a lot of the fact that the autopsy said that the, autopsy report said that it was a homicide, but, i think the important thing to point out there is that -- martha: which is a death. >> simply a death with a human intervention. as opposed to a suicide or a death from natural causes or a death from ingesting poison or something of that sort but it doesn't say that the homicide was resulted from an illegal act. martha: when you look back at these cases because eric holder talked about the fact that the federal government has pursued criminal violations of human rights in the...