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The american people are against it. and why it's going to be a big campaign issue. >> the question that we've -- the national reform is based on what we've been doing in massachusetts for the last five years. and 98% of our residents have health insurance. 1% to state spending. it's been a wild success. there is a challenge everywhere in the country, in terms of managing health care costs down. and that's regardless whether you have a universal system, or not. we're going to crack that code in massachusetts, as we. i think that, frankly, to describe this, due respect to my friend bob, to descr...

End and reality begin? you've been digging into this. and mike, all these numbers came out about the last two weeks. the timing couldn't have been worse for perry's campaign. touts this great record on creating jobs. but inside the numbers, it's a different story. >> it's not looking good. this is sort of a -- could be the elephant in the room for the perry campaign. because as you point out, this is the centerpiece of his entire message to voters. i'm a job creator, created over 1 million jobs. last three months, unemployment has been going up in texas. and highest point in 24 years, more tha...

No other state can touch that. it's added all of 1% to state spending because we have managed it effectively and continue to adjust and refine it as we've gone along. more companies, private companies, are offering insurance to their employees today than did before the bill was signed into law. it's been a wild success. and we have ongoing challenges, like the rest of the country in terms of insurance premiums. but just as we have seen the nation to expand coverage to everyone, i think we will be the ones to crack the code on cost containment. >> governor, i was listening a little bit today to...

Spending because we have managed it effectively and continue to adjust and refine it as we've gone along. more companies, private companies, are offering insurance to their employees today than did before the bill was signed into law. it's been a wild success. and we have ongoing challenges, like the rest of the country in terms of insurance premiums. but just as we have seen the nation to expand coverage to everyone, i think we will be the ones to crack the code on cost containment. >> governor, i was listening a little bit today to howry carr's radio show in boston. i'm from boston, and i tr...

Our plan was a state solution to a state problem, and his is a power grab by the federal government to put in place a one size fits all plan across the nation. >> joining me now is the democratic governor of massachusetts, deval patrick. thank you for joining me. >> glad to be with you, lawrence. thank you for having me. >> was the "wall street journal" right today when they said, as everyone knows, the health reform mr. romney passed in 2006 as massachusetts governor was the prototype for president obama's version, and gave national health care a huge political boost? >> well, he certainly is...