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I think part of the issue here is, we need to have a stronger presence out in the states, have a real 50 state strategy like we had under president, sorry, chairman howard dean was trying to bring to fruition, which was to really make sure that we showed up everywhere and ask people for their votes, but we were engaged in communities around the country, all throughout the year, not just a few days before the election, and that we were really strengthening and building on the talent that exists in our party in the states, and where people really live and really listening to people at that level...

With our state parties. >> i want to ask about that. under the eight years of president obama, the democrats have lost about 70 seats in the house. >> true. >> you 1 seats in the senate, ten governorships, about a thousand, about, a thousand state legislative seats. what is your explanation for why that has happened during this period of time? >> i think we've got to get back to basics. there's no substitute for organizing and persuasion. i worked in the grassroots in maryland where i live and we helped take an organization from the basement of a church to one of the largest non-profits in the...

To basics. there's no substitute for organizing and persuasion. i worked in the grassroots in maryland where i live and we helped take an organization from the basement of a church to one of the largest non-profits in the mid-atlantic empowering people, fighting for people. i'm a big believer in data analytics. but at the same time is, data analytics cannot be a substitute for persuasion and organizing. i'm also a believer in what howard dean called the 50-state strategy. i would call it will 57 state strategy including the territories and district of columbia. we've got empower states and tal...

Operatives. i think when howard dean tried to do the 50 state strategy and it was goofy. the thing about it is the party needs to actually be working physically in lots of places. it reached into a lot of places. the idea was to have a national campaign and a national party. right now it doesn't look like a national party. say what you will. 06 and 08. bad political years. >> i get trashed by people in the party infrastructure. >> they didn't get a contract is my guess. charlie took. >> have a great holiday. >> coming up, fishiness in hawaii. my obsession comes out of the aloha state. it is no...

And vfw hall and some counties where i might have lost, but maybe i lost by 20 points instead of 50 points. people had a chance to see and listen to you and get a sense of who you stood for and who you were fighting for. >> for more on what the president had to see, i'm joined by torre host of binge worthy on the people entertainment weekly network. our first team put it this way. obama allows some, throws some shade at clinton. >> i read that as a principled thoughtful discussion of what she did. he's talking about, we needed a 50 state strategy. reaching out to white working class people in ...