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We all probably knew he took that stance even though from the late 1990s he was flip-flopping back and forth until today. i am okay with him changing his mind. if he believes that, good for him. people can change and evolve and have a different stance. i don't like to feel i was deceived and he was lying to the public. i feel it is political. i feel like he came out because biden pushed him when he came out and said that of the i feel like he doesn't think i know he is flip-flopping, and that he is doing it politically? that bugs me. >> the one thing i will go -- i think there is a sense of re...

>> we are never going to know the end game, but i am with jim on this. i want healthcare for myself. i worked for that. regardless, if this bill goes through or not, if somebody gets in an accident, we are going to help them either way. >> yeah, but that's what you do. when you have that there you have emergency rooms and things like that. i don't know. i just think it doesn't make sense. you can't force somebody. it is different than car since. -- car insurance. car insurance is a state thing. i am just making this up. >> you know how you don't want to pay for it, that's not the issue. the is...