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Who he wants to be. >> right. frankly those two are viewed as extremists in the party right now. people like that tend to go red hot and burn out. the fanct is that those two are out getting press for themselves and working on their own agenda and not working what is in the best interests of the party. >> what does king get throwing his hat in the ring right now even before the midterms? >> i think it's more so about attention. listen. we want to be really honest. he is not a viable candidate. it's difficult for any member of congress to run for president, especially one, i think, for the repu...

Nationwide, there were two other candidates on the last debate that did not have the poll numbers that i did. look, it's a catch-22. if you don't take the corrupting money and buy a presence, you need to get on the polls. but you -- i mean, you need to get on the debates. but if you can't get on the polls, they won't let you on the debates. >> all right. >> it's a catch-22 alex. i'm going to ask you, sir, will you feel like you have accomplished something if your candidacy results in being a statement candidacy or will you only be happy if you have to send out change of address cards to 1600...