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i can tell you that i spoke with bondy, the lawyer you referred to earlier this evening. he told me two things that are new for me to have confirmed. the first thing that he said was that an aide to congressman nunes told lev parnas nunes and team were investigated the biden family and an energy company called burisma where joe biden s son hunter biden was a board member. those topics were of paramount importance to trump and giuliani. trump and giuliani pressured the ukrainian government to investigate those specific topics in hopes that an investigation would benefit trump. and the second thing he told me is that a former ukrainian prosecutor named victor shulkin, an important character, told lev parnas he had a meeting with congressman nunes in vienna. victor shulkin is a vital character in this story. ....
Speaking under oath. i have no reason to believe that the information that bondy has told me on the record is incorrect. but it goes without saying without question at the statements bondy has made would carry significantly more weight were parnas to say them on the record and under oath to congress. so a big question that s open right now is whether parnas will end up going before congress, taking an oath and sharing what parnas lawyer has shared with me. now, for parnas to do something like that, it would be incredibly risky in part, of course, because he s been indicted in the southern district of new york. so one possible avenue that his lawyers could potentially pursue and which lawyers sometimes pursue when they have a client who both faces criminal exposure before the justice department but also has information that s interesting to congress, one avenue they could look at is trying to get a specific type of ....
of his ambassador. maria yovanovitch works for the state department and he s the boss of the state department and he won t protect his people. so is he facilitating? is he helping rudy giuliani or is he objecting to it? he certainly knows it s going on. remember, that was the step, that was the predicate for then launching on this effort to essentially extort ukraine in addition to whatever other financial deals that rudy giuliani was pursuing. they had to get her out of the way. this puts him right in the middle of this. i think he has extreme liability. and remember, he has not even recused himself from deciding whether to turn over these documents. it took a federal court to force him. so that is completely unacceptable. he s behaving in a completely inappropriate manner. he s a lawyer and he should know his legal obligations. i think this is huge. ....
He s a lawyer and he should know his legal obligations. i this i thnk this is huge. i think it s huge, too. this gets lost in the back and forth and mud and muck. the biggest takeaway from the sondland testimony, none of this was a secret. they all knew it was happening, mulvaney did, the president did. the only reason the administration has not just fallen back on the original mulvaney press conference answer, which was get over it, is the president will just not allow it because of his ego. so we have to go through this b.s., this misinformation where they try to pretend there might not have been a quid pro quo, maybe this want as bad as it looks. it is as bad as it looks. eventually the more information that comes out, we ll continue to see more details of that and the question is does that actually turn anyone. that is a big question. that is a big question, but these are actually documents and to jennifer s point, american ....
The information that originates with lev parnas? look, people are at their most credible when they re speaking under oath. i have no reason to believe that the information that bondy has told me on the record is incorrect. but it goes without saying without question at the statements bondy has made would carry significantly more weight were parnas to say them on the record and under oath to congress. so a big question that s open right now is whether parnas will end up going before congress, taking an oath and sharing what parnas lawyer has shared with me. now, for parnas to do something like that, it would be incredibly risky in part, of course, because he s been indicted in the southern district of new york. so one possible avenue that his lawyers could potentially pursue and which lawyers sometimes pursue when they have a client who both faces criminal exposure before the justice department ....